One of them could be lying, but now I'm not sure who.

About him hating Sarah and her family, though, it seems like he was at least expressing his true own opinions on that. Though it's funny, 'cause just two years ago he was dating their daughter.

I can't speak for the rest of the voting-age population, but I at least don't base my choice of candidate around what some snotty teenager with wayyyy too much publicity says. (I wouldn't have voted for her anyway, personally.) But if I was a supporter of hers, his opinion wouldn't change anything. Speaking poorly of a family you're obviously estranged from just to be on TV pretty much destroys your credibility.

And what kind of mother she is has nothing to do with what kind of politician she is/would be.



Meh. I honestly don't think she's even considering running in 2012...resigning your only major office doesn't exactly help your case for wanting to run the entire country.

I just think that if he wasn't just in it for the media attention, he wouldn't be appearing with Kathy Lee Gifford on the red carpet.

It clearly states what Levi said in quote marks. None of that was my own opinions. My political views are a different matter entirely. I'm saying it's rather comical he'd kiss ass to their daughter and then, a year or two later, shove Mom and Dad out. "Forget it, I'm not voting you in."

I wasn't saying they were. I wasn't trying to be catty. Just saying that if he honestly thinks he's being "influential" or something, he's severely mistaken. I would hope that voters candidate choices weren't hinging on this tabloid crap. Sorry if it sounded bitchy. It wasn't intended to be.

How is it any different than ex-wives and ex-husbands, who once upon a time loved each other, tear each other's in laws apart limb from limb verbally once divorced? Sorry, this happens all the time. People break up, and you bitch about their family. Its routine. Hell, its EXPECTED.

It's not, except he's doing it on national television. Most people don't bitch about their family on Larry King to Kathy Lee Gifford.

Not for a lack of desire to do so, lol

True. Damnit. XD

I somehow missed this part of the post. Anyway, I heard Hillary was supposed to be top notch, then Palin was just the stand-in baby for what many wanted and then we got her. I don't do much politics myself so I cannot answer those questions. Personally, I believe a huge factor has to do with your upbringing and where that went on, but that's just me.

Oh jeebus no. Palin is most definitely not Clinton or even close.

On that note, for those of you that missed this during election season: Palin/Clinton "debate"

It still makes me

I meant "upbringing" as in, how they were raised (Palin's parents were nature-loving and high school teachers, though I don't know how this has affected her as her early life is rather vague... a little-known fact is that she was born in Idaho but raised and lived in Alaska since she was under a year old... look it up) and where that went on (ex. obviously you would not have much to deal with or experience to gain in Wyoming or Arkansas, but when we talk California, Hawaii, New York, Illinois, Florida, and mostly Northeast US, that's different... no prejudice intended, but the population and attitudes vary greatly nationwide).

Of course, if they had been in the field since they were bullied tots (including children and possibly relatives of big-time politicians), they do have a lot of experience and manipulation via the system, or they just fried and went... downhill.

I wouldn't say that. Just difference experiences and things to "deal with."

Just out of curiosity, what's different about Illinois? I get the contrast with the other states but not so much with Illinois.



Politics are on TV all year around. There is no break. I like election season though. I only start getting burnt out when it gets really close. (Around September-ish.) It's a chance to see "new" faces. I like watching the debates and discussing the major issues. This time was especially cool because it was the first major election I was able to vote in. I don't know...it's exciting.

Illinois has Chicago. Though I don't know about the rest of the state.

Nothing bad, but a lot of them come out "ghettoized" (ex. Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears, Duggar family, Jeubs). If it were a big city, I can surely guarantee their experiences and attitudes would be different — maybe not better, but not like what they are now (see this). Now, it's not to stereotype, and every city has their truckloads of rascals, but a lot of the famous delinquents or noted ones for doing odd feats came out of the smaller states and cities.

The elections themselves don't last that long. It's just the media circus surrounding the potential Presidental candidates that lasts two years. You're right that it's way too long, though. I can do without all that propaganda tripe on TV, thank you very much. That's why I can never wait until Election Day, despite the fact I'm not even old enough to vote yet.

How do you get through two years of politics? A subscription to cable and finding other things to watch. Yes there is a ginormous amount of it, but it is mostly avoidable if you want to avoid it.

lol

Illinoians hate that. The rest of Illinois is pretty small town. Nothing special about Chicago other than their politicians are horribly corrupt and all state funding somehow floats north...hmm.

Ohio has Cleveland, Indiana has Indianapolis, Wisconsin has Milwaukee...having been to all of them, I can tell you that Midwestern "big cities" are all pretty much the same, really. (Obviously every city is different, but for the most part.)

And the Duggars? Ghetto? Small towns =/= the ghetto. And I can name plenty of delinquents from big cities.

"What's that?"
"Jesus, you really are a small town girl, aren't you?"

Le Ly Hayslip didn't know what weed was when she moved to Saigon.

Big city dwellers/natives (like, really big... ex. Los Angeles, New York City, London, Paris, Sydney) love to be snobby and diss on people from small towns. I've already said it's not ALL of you. "Oh, they're hicks!" A girl from South Dakota moved here and said that their closest store was Wal-Mart, fifty miles away. McDonald's, Starbucks, and traffic combined with pollution everywhere in California. As I was telling the woman who popped out all five and was done at twenty-seven, "You could come from Arkansas and live in Los Angeles and love it, but the reverse is not true; a Manhattan native couldn't make it in Kansas well."

I'm not offended. There is something to be said about being from a small town. I wouldn't trade a lot of my small town experiences for anything in the world.

And actually some people get sick of the big city and voluntarily move to a small town. I could do either at this point...just depends on where my fiance and I get jobs. As long as it's not Frisco (cold and boring), Nevada (nothing but casinos and tumbleweed with the exception of Tahoe...but that's half in Cali so I don't count it), or Kansas (obvious reasons), I'm good to go. :D

As for my father's family and the people I know, we would never do well there. They even diss them at family reunions. Of course it wouldn't offend you that they call you "bumfucks", "hicks", and a few "rednecks", just like how small town people say we're "snobby" or whatever. We've both gotten too used to living the way we do. I told my dad and sister, "White people don't care. This is their country, anyhow." (We're Chinese, but my dad and his siblings were born and raised in Saigon, Vietnam, while my grandparents and ancestors came from Mainland China.)

My mom's family is actually from a small town as well, and when we told them it sucked or whatever, they said, "Well, we love it here. Everyone knows and helps each other. We're friendly and peaceful. We would never move away." and my oldest cousin, May, shared a story about how her mother brought her and her brother to Singapore (in an attempt to perhaps move) when she was around seven. "People were so rude to us. I hated it." she had said, and my dad just said, "Well, you guys came from a small town." She basically repeated what I already told you and what you fed to me. However, my cousins on that side all live in London, Singapore, and Hong Kong today and they're fine.

True, that does help. If I could stop other family members from choosing to watch (and listen, in the case of radio) propaganda, life would be much easier. Then again, life would be also much easier if I ruled the world, and the only propaganda was propaganda that flattered me.

Oh, I'm certain you could find cheerleaders if you tried. They're not usually half-dressed, 20-something girls with good-looking bodies, though.

I've never been called that, actually. Illinois isn't really what people usually call "hick." Rural, sure. When I think "hick," I think Louisana swamps (Waterboy style XD), Georgia peach trees...more southern. Illinoians are still dirty yankees. But meh. I've never lived in a big city, but I've spent enough time in them to not be sheltered by any means. I have family in Chicago and Phoenix, AZ.



My town is so not like that. That's definitely a misconception that small towns are necessarily picturesque where everybody gets along and trades cookie recipes or whatever. XD My town is gossipy and there are a few families that have been here for generations. Veeeeeeeery cliquey.

Wow, you're very precise. It doesn't mean they call you "this" or "that" straight out... just, well, both sides have offensive terms for each other that don't matter anyway, because they both believe what they do.

My family just roared... "Man, the nearest shopping center there is like, twenty miles away." (Fifty, in the South Dakota girl's case.) We have Starbucks and McDonald's on every corner, as I've already stated.

There is a lot of pressure in the big city but natives and residents say it makes us "sophisticated" and "worldly" or whatever, while people from smaller towns say we're "snobby" and "too much" and "too expensive".

They've also pointed out how a lot of the crazier celebrities and famous people are "bumfucks" and "they came from a small town; no one there, nothing for miles!" and "It's a lot cheaper and easier, less stress there!" I'm not sure about Illinois, maybe not, but the real bumfucks, like...

Yeah... as for Virginia and Illinois, I am not sure, but I mean TRULY rural, like Arkansas, Louisiana, and Kansas.



LMAO, like Old Town in TS1.

You still said you liked your town, though. Even though it's not as bad as those... "Trader Joe's!" and my ma's fam's types. Understandable.