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#1 Old 4th Jan 2008 at 7:27 PM
Default PSU and cooling concerns, any advice appreciated
Hello everyone.
After my old pc died 3 months ago, I managed to put aside [and borrow] some money, and next monday I'll be able to order a new pc. At first I thought to have a go trying to build one myself, but then i found out a company that would custom-build it for me at a lower price. Since it would have been the first time for me at building a pc from scratch and the money is tight [so i can't afford anything to go wrong], i decided to go for the custom-built.
I have no doubts about the processor and the graphic card i want, they are the best i can afford, but am having some doubt about a few other things.
These are the specs

Processor (CPU)
AMD ATHLON™ 64 X2 6400+ (3.2GHz) 2 x 1MB L2 Cache (Socket AM2)
Memory (RAM)
4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz (2x2GB)
Motherboard
ASUS® M2N: DUAL DDR II, S-ATA, x16 VGA, 3 PCI
Graphics Card
512MB GEFORCE 8800GT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT
Power Supply & Case Cooling
600W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£59)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD CPU COOLER
Total order Price
£632.00

This is the best quote i could find, but i have some doubts about the power supply and the cooling.
Will be 600W enough? or maybe it is too much? Also, i read some reviews about this CPU, many people say it gets very hot. Will i need a better cooling for it? My last computer had a heat issue so i am very worried about this.

I refuse to post this question on other "tech" forums, because people in there tend to get into details that for me are like aramaic. Instead, i read many sensible comments in the threads in here, something even i can understand lol
I just need someone to tell me: thats ok, or: this etc etc is a better configuration.

I will appreciate any advice, ty
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Forum Resident
#2 Old 4th Jan 2008 at 8:18 PM
Great rig....graphics card...thats perfect....ermmm the g=heating issue...stick a few fans in there.....the guys who are building ure pc can do that...i built my own about 5 months ago and it was 6 fans.....and its always cool...
Original Poster
#3 Old 4th Jan 2008 at 8:33 PM
Hi TingTong. First of all thank you for your reply. Fans: Thats the issue!!! After my last pc literally fried I am so worried about this issue.
BUT!!! If it was for me i would stick 20 fans in the chassis but i don't think that would have any use, unless i know WHERE to put them. I mean, are they gonna be just case fans, or i need to cool the cpu with a better fan than the standard one? The graphic card is supposed to have her own fan so i try not to think about that.
Sigh this is worrying.
shiny!
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#4 Old 4th Jan 2008 at 9:44 PM
If you're planning on doing any intense gaming.. which considering that machine I would be surprised if you weren't.. then yeah I would replace that stock cooler with something else. I like the Zalman coolers a lot, but recently I've been taking serious note of the Arctic Cooling Freezer.

600W is plenty but not knowing exactly what psu is in there i can't tell you how good it is. It's not enough to just have so many watts you also need to make sure there are ample amps on the rail.. and that simply doesn't give me enough information to tell. 6 fans.. must sound like a tornado and is entirely unnecessary.


As for the cooling.. a good case will proper airflow will go far in your cooling. Not knowing what case they're using, I can't tell you how anything about how it would workk.. I can’t tell you about installing fans either without knowing about what the case supports.. One trick to keep your graphics card running cool is make sure you always leave a space between it and the next pci card. Even if it’s small and doesn’t take up two slots, let it. And leave the cover off the slot below it too. This will give it extra room to breathe.
Original Poster
#5 Old 4th Jan 2008 at 10:11 PM
Callistra i will call them tomorrow and ask the specs of psu and case. plus, all the possible upgrades on the cpu fan. then will post again. the graphic card is the only expansion card in there so it should have all the air it needs.
will be back tomorrow with the specs, ty so much
Lab Assistant
#6 Old 8th Jan 2008 at 8:15 PM
X2 processors do get hot. If you get that pc built for you, there won't be any fans, unless you specify. Get the biggest fans that will fit on your case, and have an intake and outake fan. If your case has any extra vents for fans, get fans installed.
shiny!
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#7 Old 9th Jan 2008 at 2:14 AM
Dude read their post.. it SAYS it comes with a 120mm case fan.. Plus that's not true about desktops not installing any fans. O.o Even the crappy Dell's and the like put a fan in their case You just typically have the one exhaust fan out the back instead of also having the side vent option which is really reccomended for a high performance machine.
Forum Resident
#8 Old 9th Jan 2008 at 12:31 PM
Well i have...*thinks* 7 fans...

1 Front
1 Exhaust
1 Side (controllable)
1 CPU Fan
2 Power Supply Fans
And of course a graphics card fan....

Plus we are getting a turbo fan for the case..... oh and i have a X2 Processor and the max temp it's ever got to is 53c on crysis....
Original Poster
#9 Old 17th Jan 2008 at 3:56 AM
Hi again, sorry for the delay but I was able to actually order the pc only yesterday. I did some changes on the specs which are now:

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™2 Duo E6750 (2 X 2.66GHz) 1333MHz FSB/4MB L2 Cache
Memory (RAM)
4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz (2x2GB)
Motherboard
ASUS® P5N-E SLI: Quad-core CPU Ready, NVIDIA® Dual X8 SLI
Operating System
64 BIT WINDOWS® VISTA Home Premium
Graphics Card
512MB GEFORCE 8800GT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT
Sound Card
6 Channel RealTek ALC883 Audio (Standard on P5N-E SLI)
Case
Stylish Silver/Black Trident case + 2 front USB
Power Supply & Case Cooling
500W (Peak) Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling
STANDARD CPU COOLER

I am not allowed to post a link here, so to see the case you have to go to pcspecialist website, choose Product Images, PC system images, and there you will see the Trident case with all the specs.
The CPU cooler is the standard one coming with that CPU. When I talked with the support I just woke up and didn't have a clear mind lol so I forgot to ask about the PSU. On the site configurator there was no choice though, you could only choose the wattage so I just have to hope it is a good one, and will send them a post asking for more information.
Field Researcher
#10 Old 17th Jan 2008 at 9:38 AM
you will find that many of the higher-end graphics cards need a specific voltage on their power supplies - 30 amps on the 12v line in power supplies higher than 450w is a common requirement so make sure that the power supply is capable of that...

ANTEC, Seagate and Corsair all do specific dedicated 12v rail power supplies that can output enough to be able to handle graphics cards that require a lot of juice...they're a little bit expensive (my friend that works for dabs.com said the corsair 550w is about £57) but worth it.
shiny!
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#11 Old 17th Jan 2008 at 10:48 PM
Disagree on the Antec.. and Seagate power supplies? Do you mean Seasonic?

Seasonic, Corsair, OCZ, and PCP&C make the best PSUs. Thermaltake and Enermax also make some good ones. But.. just check on what you have in there first. It may be ok. 500w is certainly enough so long as it's a quality psu with enough v on the rail. If you've already ordered it, you check yourself what they put in when it arrives.

I really recommend installing your own CPU cooler and not keeping the stock one.. you can monitor your temps in speed fan to see how really urgent this is, but if you plan on doing the intense gaming that rig is capable of you really should invest in a proper cooler anyway.. I think I went into all that earlier, so I won't say any more on that.

Good luck to you!
Field Researcher
#12 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 12:06 AM
Seasonic yep that's the one and it's funny that you disagree on Antec because they've got a contract with Seasonic on their mid to higher end to basically use their PSUs with Antec labelling on them...so if you buy a good quality Antec, you're basically buying a Sea LOL.
shiny!
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#13 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 2:52 AM
Wrong.. sorry but Antec power supplies aren't rebadged Seasonic. They are Antec design simply built by Seasonic. Therefore the quality of Antec and the quality of Seasonic are not identical. Antec isn't what it used to be.. several years ago it used to be a very good psu. It's gone way down hill, and the Seasonic build is a really good step in the right direction at least. Seasonic also builds for other companies (in addition to having their own) like the PCP%C Silencer series for one.. which is the absolute wonder of a PSU I'm currently using. Antec doesn’t' even touch this guy. I think they build some for Corsair too. While the others are considered really high end performance psus, Antec still remains a budget brand.
Field Researcher
#14 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 3:53 AM
I dunno, a friend of mine that works for dabs.com and does their benchmarking tests and builds to determine quality for what they sell says that he's never had a bad Antec and he has even been told by the Antec people "basically just ignore the badging...this one is a Sea" in regards to a PSU he benchmarked and tested about 6 months back (don't have the actual product # for that one, it was an annecdote he was telling me about).

On his own personal comp he went from an Antec into a Corsair once they started releasing their really higher-end quality PSUs after testing them at work.
shiny!
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#15 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 5:30 AM
Well I dunno what to tell you, I know for a fact that it's not a rebadged Seasonic. *shrugs* If you don't believe me start doing google searches. Seasonic built it just like they build psus for several other companies, but it's still Antec design. Companies contract with Seasonic to build psus to their specifications..doesn't make them Seasonic rebadges. There are comments all over about this. Of course Antec would like you to believe their PSUs are entirely Seasonic. Antec PSus have dropped in favor sharply, and I'm sure that's at least partly why they've reached out to Seasonic to try to reestablish themselves. I will admit that Seasonic has done a nice job with the Antec design and they are now much better than what they were, but they’re still not on par with Seasonic, Corsair, OCZ or PCP&C.
Original Poster
#16 Old 18th Jan 2008 at 3:55 PM
Thank you very much for your replies. Although I already ordered, I will be able to modify my order in any moment during the process of building the pc. I heard a lot of good stuff said about these people so I tend to trust them, but it is always good to ask knowledgeable people for their opinion. There are a few choices for the CPU cooling system so I will talk to them about it. Same for the case, did you have a look at the one I chose? It looked ok but, again, I am no expert. As I said, I can change these things if necessary.
 
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