UGHHHHHHH stop whining about paysites on every website you go on....here's my :2cents: you don't even know what you're talking about....if a site doesn't update enough you pester them until they do ....i'm not going to get into it here but I pay for a subscription at Sim Chic and her skins are gorgeous and worth the $4.95 a month to me :clap:....I also have a subscription to Well Dressed Sims and TSR....ALL worth the money to me....guess what?....I'M NOT RICH! ....if I think something is worth the money, I dish out the money for it....

People stop complaining about paysites my God....you people waste money on more petty things on a daily basis like lottery tickets (there goes how much money and you didn't win for the 100th time?), cigerettes (the cost of one month's subscription at Sim Chic), dishing out money to buy FOOLISH things to hurt yourself if you do that sort of stuff (and that stuff is EXPENSIVE), gambling your money away at the casino (if you gamble lol), spending your money on useless stuff that you never use or wear (whatever it may be)....I can go on

Rock on, baby, rock on!

You can trought SimPE Surgery
All you have to do is:

1). Open SimPE 2). Plugins > Neighboorhood > choose the neigborhod where the sim live in
3). Plugins > Sim Surgery
4). In the left frame, choose the sim you want to modify
5). Click on "Use this sim as patient"
6). Click on Export
7). Modify it in Bodyshop (skintone, face, clothes, what ya want)
8). Go in the neighboorhood of the patient sim, and create a family with the modified sim.
9). Close ts and run SimPE.
10). Plugins > Sim Surgery
11). Select the patient sim (old sim) and the archetype sim (new sim).
12). DO NOT click neither ONLY SKIN, nor ONLY FACE.
13). > Surgery
14). Commit and Save.

Hope this is helpful

lol. as much as i like sim chic, i would honestly like to find some nice skins (not atomicly correct) for use in game. openhouse has a realistic male, simchic has both realitics...but alas, none can be downloaded because i'm paypal less, and happen to be broke.

anyone want to offer this lass donations? lol

PMed ya, lass :D

And so you have! thanks, i pm'd you aswell

tizifi88 I think you can change skin tones using the SimPE program. I have successfully changed the skintone of one of my existing sims. I don't know if the change has become genetic or not though...

Soz. Didn't see the other post! Ooops.

Mime whit has stuff here and on thesims2.com
do a search for mimewhite all one word and you will find him

k thanks for that!! searching now!!

ok another question nova-storm...where do i search for him?? in genetic sets coz hes not there...

As a website designer myself, the whole paysite thing is understandable, but negligible at the same time.

What we all need to realize is that if you do not approve of paysites, than simply do not go there - reacting to it in a negative manner is simply being obnoxious.

At the same time, those who support paysites shouldn't be as vehement in arguing their POV. Respect that there are those who have opinions based on an entirely different veiwpoint and understanding of the subject.

It DOES take an extreme amount of time to make a WORTHWHILE, FUNCTIONAL, and ERRORPROOFED/ TROUBLESHOT site - I know - I've had many occasions where my ideas did not translate well with the languages I know or the servers capabilities.
Those who are against paysites should take into account that opening one requires many interesting things.
First off, is knowledge of several different programming languages. The ones I know are HTML (basic design), javascript (simple programs that work in YOUR browser), CSS (which effects the colors and other behaviors of the site's appearance), CGI/ PERL (an outdated language with a lot of security issues that ran programs on the host server), and PHP (the newer language that replaces much of the CGI programs, and the security concerns), and MYSQL (Online Database Storage).
Those are just what I know. Then there is ASP, JAVA, VBSCRIPT, COLDFUSION, and a slew of others that I have NO IDEA about. The one's I just mentioned all require their own programs to operate and those programs are beyond expensive - and with computers and web design structures advancing in technology every day - you could finally afford a program, buy it, and it is outdated a week later.
So, if you want to call yourself a designer while on geocities or angelfire - fine - but don't expect many accolades from those of us who DO pay for Hosting AND Domain names (Domain Name Servers are seperate, and without them, you all would have to know IP addresses instead of nice common-word urls. When's the last time you typed "http://##.###.###.##"? Instead - you were given a nice, easy to remember url - like "http://www.modthesims2.com" [Delphy; where's my royalty check? LOL]).
Second is bandwidth - which is the amount of data transferred from the server to your PC - is very expensive when you get more hits. I used to have my site on www.portland.co.uk (or something like that) and after 100 hits it got shut down for bandwidth. I noticed this happens on a lot of yahoo pages also (member pages, not geocities, though I have seen a few geocities sites get taken down for bandwidth usage exceeded also). With my current host; www.meccahosting.com - I have affordable rates and a fair amount of bandwidth (more than is actually used) and things I couldn't find with free hosts, like PHP, CGI, and MYSQL capability. I also do not have to worry about someone else's advertising being displayed on my page or worse - having my code reworked to suit their advertising needs.

But I could get really extensive on that side, instead I'll switch to the other. But before I do, I have to take a moment to gather myself, chuckling, at the proposal of Donation Sites. I would challenge any of them to say whether or not the donations they receive balance against the upkeep on the sites or the ever-increasing bandwidth/ traffic they endure. Those who cry "donation" instead of "obligation" live in a fantasyland where the human nature of greed and devil's conscience doesn't exist. I'd like to live there too, but I don't. I'm too much a realist.

Being a realist, paysite supporters, this is a game. And the content is useful up to the point that it gets outdated. How much content did we have here at this site (ModTheSims2) that went blinking blue on us when the University Expansion Pack got installed? All the programmers, skinners, and meshers hard work, and WHAM!!!!!!!!!!! All flushed down the toilet and gone swirly. Now I make a mere $11.25 and hour, which barely pays all the incoming bills. I work very hard in a retail warehouse. When I come home at 3am, I want to unwind, so I play computer games. If I had purchased all the mods on that game that do (realisticly speaking) little more than make it more interesting and then (for a little more interest) bought a new expansion that outdated all those things - I'd be more than a little ticked off. But these things were free here (which is just one of the reasons why I love this site) and everyone openly shares their creations based on free exchange. Sure - some of those here are leeches; never participating in the sharing factor, but only downloading as much as possible - but you'll have this. I myself fall under that category currently, but seeing the genorousity of the others has inspired me to try experimenting and offering what I can create.

All that wouldn't even be possible without SIMPe! Another great free offering here. And now the Mesh Tool is out as well; this, too, for free!

Delphy and the others have made a wonderful contribution to us all here, and it is our conscience that will ask each of us individually to give back in what ways we are able. Some will take the unconscienable road of never offering anything, but others will be moved by this sharing enough to become a part of it. And still others will take the easy road and exchange things in dollars and cents.

I want everyone who has contributed to this site to know one thing from me personally. To all the Programmers, Site Designers and Administrators, Meshers, Skinners, Artists, and others whose work is freely exchanged here on ModTheSims2:

THANK YOU!

Now, enough about all this paysite/ freesite nonsense. Back on topic:

I love this site that you gave here! I d/l'd the skins and some other stuff - awesome job! Haven't played anything in-game yet, so we'll see how it looks on my simmies. :-)

PS - my site is a spiritual and personal one, you all can have a look-see if ya like ... not really anything related to sims 2, but I like my site - lol
http://www.wolf-thunderspirit.com

This is what I really can't stand.
Every paysite owner always repeat "oh, keep up a site is an hard work, you cant ever imagine how hard is it".

As I still said, I pay for a domain and a host (and I don't even have a regoular salary).
I studied for years html, java and css language.
I buy expensive software for web editing and graphics.
I have two site, my personal site and sims2 site.
I decided to update the Sims 2 site every 3-4 days, wich mean thath every 3-4 days I must take a quarter of an hours to update.
I think that i know how can be hard to keep up a site.. I knew it, and decided to open it anyways.
As I said some posts ago, you don't have to open a site, necessarily. If you feel it's just a loose of time and money, don't open it.

I agree with some pay sites, like artists selling their paintings or company selling their products online.
But, Maxis gave us the possibility to make custom content for fun, not for business. It should be a sharing between fans, not business for some.

Anyways, stop it, we're ot

That's the irony there in human nature also - lol. Even if you argue BOTH sides, someone is going to pay more attention to the side they do not agree with than the one that they do...

You have to laugh. If not, you'll cry. LOL

Your words were well said. thank you for sharing them. I honestly never thought of what it takes to create a pay or donation site... And this after having been with two pay sites in the sims community!

It really does give me alot to think about. Useualy, when i encounter a pay site, i get a bit down because i cant afford to subscribe. (A little like sour grapes)... But not once have i really thought so thoroughly as you have about the work and the why people end up creating pay sites.

Now i'm left thinking of that and also the fact that for some people, having pay or donation sites is the only way they are able to do and create what they really love, and still make money from it.
How many times in life are people given the chance to do what they truely love, and still make profit from it.
Where i'm from, art and creation of anything art related just doesnt pay the bills, unless your already very well known in the art world, or perhaps have good connections. This sim designing, is like an art...and i'm sure has helped many into realizeing the potential they have in creative arts.
The next thing you might want to do then, is make a small living from it. something that you can use to keep the site going, yes. but also something that you can keep yourself and spend happily, knowing that you really and truely earned this money. You earned it honestly and now your holding the rewards of being true to your potential.
Honestly, there are just so many ways that pay sites help to nurture the artist. Anyway, now i feel better about pay sites... because i understand better why they are being created, how they help the artist. which in turn, helps you as well.

I apologise if none of this makes any sence. it's just something i've been thinking about recently.

Oh, and to Thunderspirit, thanks for sharing the link to your site. i really enjoyed it. So often in life we are left without any places to find wisdom and honestly. so it's really wonderful to come apon a site that does just that.
bravo! I hope your proud of yourself for creating it.

oh - oops - the site I d/l'd from was helaene's. And btw; if thats her (though it looks like ashlee simpson, to be honest) - we are getting engaged as soon as my stalker file comes in. No, I'm just kidding. lol

Hello, maybe you do some of that stuff, but I don't smoke, or buy lottery tickets, and I especially don't gamble. I am a student, and can't afford any of these extra expenses. Outside of basic neccessities for food, clothing, tuition, health insurance, my telephone bill, rent (and maybe the occasional chocolate bar, if I'm feeling like splurging), I have maybe 15 euro left over a month to spend on myself, and I'm not too keen on spending it so freely. I don't have a budget where I can afford to spend money on "petty" things, like downloads from a paysite that used to be free! I couldn't even buy the original (50 euro) game, it was a gift from someone who knows more about the sims! Furthermore, I think a very large portion of the sims community consists of young people without a lot of money, and making a site pay just locks them out. I mean, free rotation is okay, covering your bandwidth is okay, but a small site without a lot of bandwidth charges? It's just arrogant, especially because they are making money off of a product that does not originally belong to them in the first place, it belongs to Maxis.

Maybe if there were a huge "this is a paysite" warning to warn me away, or something like a 5 cent per download fee for those of us who feel 5 bucks a month actually is a lot (so we could just limit our downloading to truly exceptional things), I wouldn't feel so crappy when I try to download something and discover that I can't. I understand it is expensive to maintain a site, I just feel that the paysites make everything feel so much less friendly and open, and they really depress me

I'm very sorry that this thread has gone so off topic, but frankly, I felt insulted by that last post and felt the need to respond. I think I may start a new thread so we can fight over this without screwing up the discussion.

EEEEK! I may have lead you to believe in the idea that I believe in paysites; but in truth I do not! lol
But I can understand why there are those that do, and I can still respect them (whether or not they return that respect is Simply not an issue for me).

But before I lead you down a very slippery slope, let me offer another insight.

WORK and PLAY and natural balancers. One must never have an abundance of either without using the other to balance. In almost every case (not all, as there will always be exceptions to anything), areas in life that combine work with play have some form of incompletion/ feeling incomplete. This is because there is no balance. What to do when labor and escape are merged?

I'm not saying you should be miserable at work either... LOL. But the way you release your natural anxieties should be different from your chores, labors, and tasks. That's the point of escapism (play).




Thank you :-) I am. What i learned about web design is culminated, on my own, over several years. And most of that information was garnished from FREE sources. The site is free for the reason that it gives back as it was given to me. Freely. I have purchased a few books that certainly helped me along the way. So purchases ALSO are sometimes needed.

And thats what I am trying to show in my first post on this thread. Discernment. We certainly have the right to our opinion as a premise on making decisions for ourselves. We can certainly speak our opinions in reference to what is right or wrong for us. But making wide, generalized comments - or outrightly insulting others - based on personal opinions is just rude behavior.

Maybe I'm just touting the Golden Rule there. Maybe its the "Mile in his Moccasins" discussion. I'll just call it being respectful; which creates an environment we can all benefit from.

On that note,
Wopila Veronasky. Mitakuye Oyasin, Tunkasila Yuwaka, Hecetu Walo. (Thanks Veronasky, All My Relations [Lakota Blessing], Grandfather Bless, Amen --- Lakota Sioux)

Hey Delphy ... is it possible to take all the Paysite/ Freesite parts of this thread and move them to another thread? I think its a great discussion that should be held elsewhere ... I can't imagine that it's what the originator of this post had in mind ...

I mean ... I'm just as guilty, of course. I'm just seeing how off-topic we've gotten.

hmmmm .... not 'atomicly' (presumably a typo meaning 'anatomicly') correct? Well ... I actually don't surf for those, since I want my simmies to have all their bits and pieces. Unfortunately, Maxis doesn't seem to be a big fan of outdoor plumbing, so my male sims have to have all their bits and pieces tattoed into place. Sort of a "Here's what WOULD be here if Will Wright didn't hate me." lol You gotta love my Sims, they're such rebels! lol

But for some good ANATOMICLY CORRECT ones, I like
http://www.paradisesims.com

Some of the other ones mentioned in this thread are good too; I've been looking at them. But as far as the Ken and Barbie "good ones" - I have no idea. Most of my Simmies are nudists anyway ... they enjoy going skyclad, and Ken and Barbie just doesn't quite look right.

will you people stop arguing about this dum subject on this thread! i'm the secong person to complain now so stop the arguing or post it somewhere else and actually post your sim skins and shut up!!!!

I just think it's a waste of time to argue on something i agree with.
It's a good idea to move the "Ot" part of the topic to a new one, tho.

Well, it's not only off topic, but also going in circles, so I'm afraid I'm just going to have to close it.