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Old 21st Jan 2018, 7:58 PM Default(SOLVED!)I cannot assign bones properly on this very long pigtails hair mesh! #1
Kagamine Rin
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Hi!
I have problem with a mesh I have been converted from Phantasy Star Online 2, itīs a hairmesh.
Due to itīs length itīs very hard to assign bones properly.
Especially on the sides where the hair is most apart from the body.
I have been trying the absolute biggest and widest mesh I could find: the Llama Mascot Mesh!
But thatīs not enough!
The hair is still bending in a strange way!
And just the hairmesh has whole 37 bones! (35 bones in this picture though)
The mesh is low poly, 1458 verts and 1358 faces.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 4:00 AM #2
Gamegenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagamine Rin
Hi!
I have problem with a mesh I have been converted from Phantasy Star Online 2, itīs a hairmesh.
Due to itīs length itīs very hard to assign bones properly.
Especially on the sides where the hair is most apart from the body.
I have been trying the absolute biggest and widest mesh I could find: the Llama Mascot Mesh!
But thatīs not enough!
The hair is still bending in a strange way!
And just the hairmesh has whole 37 bones! (35 bones in this picture though)
The mesh is low poly, 1458 verts and 1358 faces.

Could you send the file because I might be able to help even though I know even less about this stuff then you do?
Old 22nd Jan 2018, 12:09 PM DefaultSure! #3
Kagamine Rin
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I will send you both the unmodified file (without bones) and the modified one.
Download - please read all instructions before downloading any files!
File Type: zip Hatsune Miku Hair(Deformed).zip (1.39 MB, 10 downloads) - View custom content
Old 22nd Jan 2018, 3:41 PM #4
Lyralei
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It's actually quite an easy fix, basically what you want to do is reimport your hair file (With the bones alreaddy attached, I know they're wonky now, but that's what we're going to fix) select the verticles that needs reassigning, and if we go to the joints tab, there's this entire list with bones. Now from here what I'd do is go with the 'head' one if possible. If you know what you're doing, you can also go with a different bone to make it more smooth when the sim is bending over but that's just to get some realism... although even that is pretty hard to achieve with really long hairstyles
Old 22nd Jan 2018, 4:10 PM #5
Kagamine Rin
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Yeah, I know this.
But I donīt know which bone(s) thatīs struggling, thatīs the problem.
Well, I can go with less bones but then the hairtips would not bend as it should.
Is 35 bones too much?
Old 22nd Jan 2018, 6:21 PM #6
Gamegenius
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I'm not completely sure that this is the cause of the distorted hair but when I imported the meshes in Milkshape and took a good at it I saw two splits on both sides of the hair which are dark black areas that i'm trying to stitch together with little success and I wound up messing the hair mesh up. Since you're a bit more experienced in this then I am maybe you'll know what i'm talking about.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:37 PM DefaultYeah! I did it! :D #7
Kagamine Rin
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It was as I thought!
It was the bones that were struggling!
Hereīs the result!
Thank you for your help and advices!
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:52 PM #8
sirrena
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Omg!!I love it!Honestly i turned out great! ^^
Congratualtions on succeeding!!
Any plans on sharing this hairstyle?? :3
Old 23rd Jan 2018, 12:13 AM DefaultOf course! Sure! :) #9
Kagamine Rin
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Well, thank you!
It makes me so happy when you say that!
Of course I will share it to you, that makes me even happier to hear that you want this mesh!
Iīm gonna look in the game first to see if everything is okay.
Old 23rd Jan 2018, 1:48 AM #10
Gamegenius
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Well, thank you!
It makes me so happy when you say that!
Of course I will share it to you, that makes me even happier to hear that you want this mesh!
Iīm gonna look in the game first to see if everything is okay.

I'm so proud of you. How did you manage to fix it and do you mind sharing the hair with me too? Oh and I just turned 20 a few days ago.
Old 23rd Jan 2018, 8:12 AM #11
Kagamine Rin
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Thank you Gamegenius! I was Importing the mesh without bones and imported a mesh with bones and then followed this tutorial: https://serenity-fall.dreamwidth.org/1813.html ItÂīs for Sims 2 though, but it works nearly same as a Sims 3 Mesh. Of course I share it to you too,I promised you that! ThatÂīs good to hear that they are actually people that want this hairstyle! :D
I also have 3 other hairstyle I want to share too, along with some outfits I have not been started on yet.
Congratulations to your birthday! My 21th birthday was on 7th january this year.
Old 23rd Jan 2018, 2:44 PM #12
Gamegenius
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Thank you Gamegenius! I was Importing the mesh without bones and imported a mesh with bones and then followed this tutorial: https://serenity-fall.dreamwidth.org/1813.html ItÂīs for Sims 2 though, but it works nearly same as a Sims 3 Mesh. Of course I share it to you too,I promised you that! ThatÂīs good to hear that they are actually people that want this hairstyle! :D
I also have 3 other hairstyle I want to share too, along with some outfits I have not been started on yet.
Congratulations to your birthday! My 21th birthday was on 7th january this year.

Happy Birthday to you too. You know it's kind of funny how much we both have in common including the month of our birthday.
Old 23rd Jan 2018, 9:05 PM #13
sirrena
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That's the best news ever!!!Awesome, and thank you so much!!Honestly i cant wait!!
Keep on being creative!Cant wait to see more of your stuff!!
Have fun and happy birthday on both of you!! :3
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