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HystericalParoxysm
1st Dec 2013, 12:28 PM
Introduction

We have some pretty big changes to share with you today! These changes are to the Creator Guidelines (our standards and what we expect at minimum when people share content here), the Rubrics that MTS Staff use for evaluating things shared here, and also the general way we handle moderation of uploads in general. The focus of these changes is to make it easier and more enjoyable to share your work here at MTS, while still maintaining the basic standards of quality and presentation that set MTS apart from most sites that allow user submissions.


Queue Bypass

Creators with a good track record of uploading here will be able to share content instantly, bypassing the moderation queue. In order to bypass the queue, a creator must meet the following criteria:

1. Must have at least 10 approved uploads since we started tracking uploads (June 2008).
2. Out of the last 10 upload attempts (counting both approves and removed), at least 9 of those must have been approved (no more than 1 removed).
3. Out of the last 5 upload attempts, we have not had to ask for changes more than one time per upload more than once (so at least 4 out of 5 have had 1 or less Changes Required PMs sent)

The reasoning here is to ensure that a creator's recent uploads are basically fine - if we need to ask for small changes and they understand what we're asking for and change it in one go, it doesn't count against them. There's a bit of a "cushion" for creators to branch out to new sections they may not have created for previously, without instantly losing their bypass if they, for example, suddenly start creating meshes and are having some initial difficulties. There are no "categories" (for several reasons, mostly the complexity of trying to divide creation types by skills), so bypassing based on one type of creation means bypassing for them all.

This does not mean that items that bypass the queue are completely un-moderated. Items with minor issues will be left "live" and a moderator will simply ask, via a comment on the thread, that the creator to fix the issues when they get a chance. Items with more major issues will be moved back to the queue with a PM from the moderator, and then either marked Changes Required or removed. This will count the same as if it had been in the queue in the first place - that is, a creator who had been bypassing who gets two things moved back and removed (2 removed in the last 10 uploads) will no longer bypass until those removals have fallen off the end of the list, pushed out by newer uploads.

You can view whether or not you can bypass personally by looking at your Creator Statistics (http://www.modthesims.info/scorecard.php). You can find this normally under the User Tools menu at the top right. Whether or not other creators can bypass is not public, nor is it marked on a particular upload whether or not it bypassed.

If you don't want to bypass... That's okay too - if you want us to look at your upload and make sure it's okay, we're happy to do so. Just click the "Send to the queue to be reviewed by a moderator" button on the last step in the Upload Wizard, and your creation will go to the queue instead of going live instantly.

If you believe your stats are in error due to something removed or marked Changes Required in error, then you can talk to us about it and we can change your stats. Please post up a new thread in the Creator Issues Forum (http://www.modthesims.info/threadcategory.php?forumid=492) and choose the category "Admin Required." Please note that until very recently, we did not keep a record of what a CR was for, only that it was sent, so if you have an issue with a CR you want removed, you will need to have kept the CR PM (as that is the only place that info might be) for us to be able to consider removing it.

Please note however, there is no creator-specific override to the bypass. We cannot force you to use the queue if your stats say otherwise - you can choose to use the queue yourself, but we only can put individual uploads into the queue. We also cannot allow creators to bypass if their stats say they are not eligible - and only an administrator can change stats, on a case-by-case basis, and only for number of removals/CRs.


Reports System:

The reports system has been altered, making it easier to report a post without having to read a novel first. ;) Now you can choose a report type from a dropdown, enter a comment (if desired), and send your report to the moderators. You should receive a response to your report when it's been dealt with by staff.

The reason for doing this now is so we could have a specific "Does not meet Creator Guidelines" report type, so if you see something that may have bypassed the queue that has major issues that really shouldn't be "live" in the Downloads section, you can report it so we can take a look. Then, if necessary, we can move it into the queue and ask the creator to fix it. Thus, anything truly problematic that happens to bypass the queue shouldn't be on the site very long.


Moderation Methods

One of the biggest changes is our approach in handling creations shared here. In the past, we have sometimes been overly nitpicky, subjective, and moderated based on personal preference rather than things that were strictly covered in the guidelines. We have taken steps to move away from this, and to make moderation much gentler. While we still want to have a focus on quality, we're changing our methods so that sharing here is a lot easier and more fun.

We have a new "handbook" for moderators to use as a guide: Captain Picard's School of Upload Moderation (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=515502), which is publicly viewable. We encourage you to read it so you can see how our focus and attitude have changed.

Additionally, as part of these major changes, all previous upload moderators have had their powers in the Downloads forum removed. The only moderators whose powers have been subsequently restored (allowing them to moderate the queue) are those who have actively participated in these changes (working on guidelines, rubrics, etc.) and who have demonstrated an understanding not only of the letter of the new methods but also the spirit of them. This is not intended as a punishment to our staff, who work tirelessly as unpaid volunteers at an often thankless task... But to make sure that going forward, the only people handling uploads are those that truly "get it" and are up to date on our current guidelines, rubrics, and other methods. Others may still regain powers in that area by being retrained on the new system, or may move on to other duties as we have no shortage of things to do around here! :)

Moderation of uploads is also now no longer anonymous - while the PMs still come from UploadManager for technical reasons, the name of the moderator who handled your upload will be contained in the PM. If you have a question about how your upload was handled, you can simply send a PM to that moderator and ask them. :)


Creator Feedback Changes:

The Creator Feedback Forum (http://www.modthesims.info/fd.php?f=473) has had its rules modified to expand its focus - it's not just for "help me make this sim look more like the celeb" type things now, but also to help you improve on your presentation, work on your upload text, etc... And you can ask for testers for your content, help in double-checking your custom content credit links, etc... Think of it as an upload "sandbox" where you can prepare your creation for sharing, and get comments on it to help you improve. We will also be increasing exposure for this forum, so that more folks will be helping with things posted there.


Guidelines Changes

Every one of the Creator Guidelines (http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=MTS2:Creator_Guidelines) has been redone: shortened, reworded and cut back to basics as much as possible. They still focus on quality, but should be a lot easier to understand and to achieve. You should definitely read the guidelines for whatever type of content you're sharing, but the biggest changes are detailed here:


Picture quality: We do still suggest a minimum size, that your pics be clear, well-lit, etc., but as long as the quality of your creation is obvious from the pictures, that's good enough - if they're a bit undersized, a bit dark, a bit blurry but still good enough, we may suggest better ones but won't -require- better ones.

Increased picture size limit: JPEG/JPG images can be up to 2560x1440 pixels, and 800 kb in size. Max sizes for other types can be found here (http://www.modthesims.info/showpost.php?p=4272192&postcount=501).

Increased picture quantity limit: You may now upload up to 100 pics! Of course, please keep it to a reasonable quantity... only things like huge sets, full worlds, etc. should have that many pics!

File sizes: You may now upload files up to 50 mb (old limit was 10 mb). This should mean that you don't have to split files for all but the biggest uploads.

No more CI Preparation: If you've uploaded a big set, you may have had to use Creator Issues to prepare your thread, so you had enough room for pics and so forth, and then asked a moderator to move it. Because the pic limit is greatly raised and you can now use Creator Feedback to help gather your info, this is no longer necessary and you can just upload normally.

Sims3packs (TS3): For those areas that items can be done as sims3packs without issue (CAS content, objects, and non-CAP patterns), you may upload a sims3pack version of your content instead of/in addition to a package file.

Policies and Remixes: If a creator has no policies listed disallowing the type of edit you want to do, then we assume that it's okay with them. You must still, of course, give a link and credit, but they don't have to be gone 6 months before you can edit their stuff. If they have policies disallowing the type of edit you want, then you'll still have to obtain their special permission.

Nitpicky Stuff Removed: Pretty much all the guidelines (and associated rubrics) have been reworded so things that are optional or "nice to have" are listed as recommended but not absolutely required. Items related to personal taste are removed, and we've tried to reword everything to make it clear that there's plenty of leeway for crazy, creative, and unrealistic, as long as you make it work.

Upload Advertising: This hasn't actually been in the guidelines even though we had a rubric for it (um, oops) but now it's been removed from the rubrics too - if you want to put a little, "Hey, visit my Tumblr for more stuff I've made," line in your upload, go for it,. Just make sure the focus is on the thing you're actually uploading here.


For specific sections:

Lots: Removed requirement for back picture. TS3 lots no longer have to be furnished. Made sure requirement for flat lots is clear.

TS3 Worlds/TS2 Neighborhoods: Removed requirement for back and floor plan pictures for the 5 example lots, and for the full-body picture for sims. Also removed the requirement for the descriptions and lot prices for the example lots, and descriptions for the example sims. This should -greatly- simplify sharing worlds/neighborhoods!

Sims: Removed requirement for full-body picture. Also removed requirement for "show how they look as an adult" picture if sharing a toddler/child/teen.

Objects: Removed the "pictures must be your own artwork/game screenshots" requirement.

Patterns: You may now share patterns made with Create-a-Pattern as long as they otherwise meet the pattern guidelines.

CAS: Softened up guidelines about stencils/channels - dead simple designs (like a tee shirt with a Nike logo which is one colour on a solid background, or simple blocks of colour like a Mondrian painting) should be done as channels. For more complex stuff where it wouldn't be ridiculously easy to make it CASTable, use of stencils (non-recolourable/non-CASTable designs) is okay.

CAS/Body Shop: Added requirement that you show the morphs, and made it clear that morphs are necessary unless there's a good reason why not (for example, a robot body or wasp-waisted corset). Morphs can be shown in CAS.

CAS/Objects/Patterns: Sets of CAST presets may now be shared here, if they are a decently sized and cohesive set (i.e. a full range of hair or eye colours, a nice set of basic wood presets, etc.)

Mods: Removed the requirement for an in-game picture as it can be real hard to illustrate a mod with a pic (though you do have to have -some- kind of picture or it won't show in Downloads). For TS3 mods, listing the exact resource name is now optional, not required, as long as it's obvious what you've modified enough that people can avoid conflicts.


Regarding pay content:

As part of these guidelines changes, we have also reworked our rules on pay content. This may have been the most difficult part, trying to balance the interests of:

The person downloading from MTS, who expects to get the content as it looks in the pictures without having to pay anything.
Someone sharing content on MTS, who would like to share (for example) a sim they've made, without spending ages tracking down if the hair they've used is pay, even though they don't pay for content or download from pirate sites.
The creator of the pay content, whose permissions and policies we don't want to see violated even if we don't agree with them making pay content.
The MTS staff, who would generally like to just check if an item is good, well-presented, and technically okay when moderating the queue - not spending ages tracking down whether an item is pay, or being the CC Police.

With all those things in mind, the rules for pay content (which usually may be found here (http://simswiki.info/wiki.php?title=MTS2:Creator_Guidelines/Uploads_NOT_allowed_on_MTS)) are as follows:


Everything required or recommended for an upload must be freely available, without having to pay.

No uploads requiring pay content: We do not host content (for example, recolours of a pay hair or object mesh) that absolutely require pay content to function in-game.

No optional pay, pirated, or stolen content: Even for optional or recommended content not absolutely required for the creation to work (for example, hair on a sim or a couch on a lot), this means:
No content you must pay for. This means you cannot use items that are pay, donation, subscriber only, "special gift", etc. type content, anything accessible only when you pay money or subscribe.
No content from sites that are repositories of unmodified content when it is still available from the original creator, whether these items are pay or free (no Booty or Simscave, torrents, sites full of stolen content or similar, but the Graveyard and sites that offer recolours or modifications with the mesh are okay).
No EA content simply converted to base game use with no other changes.
No pirated EA Store content. EA Store content, linked to the legitimate EA Store, is okay though - we consider this like EP or SP content, since EA already requires we pay for those.


Rubrics Changes

Because all of the guidelines have changed, the rubrics that we use to evaluate creations have also changed as well, with staff going through each and every thing and matching it carefully to the guidelines, and adjusting the wording so that it is as helpful and gentle as possible. The rubrics attempt to balance these factors:

Giving a fair evaluation of the item for pictures, information, quality, and technical "correctness".
Guiding a creator so that they can see which areas they're doing well at, and which could use some improvement, while being considerate of their feelings and work they've put into their creation.
Removing as much of the subjective part of moderation as possible, to make it easier for moderators to evaluate the upload with confidence and consistency.

You may view the full list of the actual rubrics used in evaluating uploads here: Upload Moderation Rubrics Forum (http://www.modthesims.info/forumdisplay.php?f=676). Information on how the rubrics work can be found at the top of each rubric thread. If you have questions, comments, or suggestions about the rubrics, please let us know - that's why they're public! :)


Ongoing changes:

While the main parts of the guidelines and rubrics are pretty much done, as we begin moderating with the new stuff, there will likely be a couple of small things that need changing/adding because of something we forgot. Any modifications made will be in the overall spirit of these changes (we're not likely to go, "Well actually we don't want to accept sims3packs after all," or anything like that). We'll be sure to let you know if there's anything significant changed, but do make sure to check the Creator Guidelines so you know what's expected.


What's next?

Gosh, not enough changes? Well, the next couple things we want to get done are:

Revamping the upload wizard, so that the required information for each section is done as input boxes (so you can't forget anything), allow re-ordering of pictures, and some prompts for what the required pictures are for each section.
Reworking the tutorials area on the wiki, to remove dead tutorials or those that have lost all their pictures, and to make it a lot easier to find what you're looking for.

Of course, those aren't the ONLY things we have planned - just the next ones. :)

Thanks!

A huge, resounding, massive thanks to everyone who has participated in this project... Both to the creators who have offered suggestions, ideas, concerns, proofreading, and assistance in the Creator Suggestions thread, and to the moderation staff who have done an immense amount of work to make this happen! This was a BIG JOB but I am amazed and honoured to work with such fantastic people. You guys are incredible, and I wish we had an actual office or something so I could see you all in person and give every one of you a big hug and a pinch on the bum.


Questions, comments, concerns, bugs?

Please also bear in mind that this is SUCH a big change, there are bound to be some bits that need a little bit of tweaking, or some small bugs in the system, so please bear with us as we get past the initial hiccups! :) If you're confused, notice a bug with something, or just want to let us know how you feel about all this, please comment on this thread! We want to hear from you!

Karen Lorraine
1st Dec 2013, 1:45 PM
I just wanna say a HUMUNGOUS THANK YOU to all who have worked on this project! Well done!

I have been following and commenting on the various threads and can see some of the work you have had to do from the public side, can't imagine how much stuff has been done behind the scenes for it to happen. I'm looking forward to trying out the new processes :D

So... to all of you and especially Delphy, HP and Leefish.....

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/52345_131201084320congrats.jpg

justJones
1st Dec 2013, 3:29 PM
Thank you all, as always, for the hard work and time you put into this site! I would be heartbroken if it ever shut down! I really appreciate the effort you guys make to constantly improve the site, and make it the best experience possible for members. Thanks!!

maybesomethingdunno
1st Dec 2013, 4:43 PM
You guys are incredible, and I wish we had an actual office or something so I could see you all in person and give every one of you a big hug and a pinch on the bum.

Well, we do have the Scranton branch that hasn't closed yet.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/e1audg.jpg

missyhissy
1st Dec 2013, 4:53 PM
You guys have done an incredible job getting this live. Huge congratulations to you all!!

ohthatsimschick
1st Dec 2013, 5:13 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say a HUGE congrats for getting this done, and SO fast! I mean, those changes were a MAJOR overhaul! Kudos to you guys for getting it all live!

My favourite features are the increased picture file size (YAY, no more resizing and losing quality!) and the ONE HUNDRED PICTURES allowed! Of course I won't ever upload near that many, but I have built big houses in the past, where I've had to edit them to get 2 pics in 1 file; definitely looking forward to this feature with my next big upload!

Beenbo1015
1st Dec 2013, 5:46 PM
This sounds really interesting; great changes to the site! ;)

leefish
1st Dec 2013, 6:01 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say a HUGE congrats for getting this done, and SO fast! I mean, those changes were a MAJOR overhaul! Kudos to you guys for getting it all live!


And congrats to you too :D I think you hold the honour of being the first creator to have an upload bypass the queue.

/me holds microphone to ohthatsimschick : So how did you feel hitting that bypass button?

ohthatsimschick
1st Dec 2013, 6:19 PM
Hahah! Yeah, I whipped up a starter house days ago, just for this! :D
It felt pretty awesome, if I'm honest! Almost felt like ripping the training wheels off my first bike! ^_~

iCad
1st Dec 2013, 7:43 PM
Hahahah...Uploaded something. :) I noticed that the wording in the wizard about file sizes and such hasn't changed, but I imagine you'll get to that when you get to it. Other than that, everything went smoothly. I got the acknowledgement PM for the upload, there's a thread for it on my control panel, it's on my profile page. It's not yet on the actual Downloads page, but I imagine that might take a little longer until it updates? Or should it have been instantaneous? I did refresh the page a few times, and it wasn't showing. Not a complaint, of course, just letting y'all know in case it's not supposed to be that way. :)

I want to say a hearty thanks to you all for all your hard work in getting this new system up and running in such a short amount of time. Like I said before, I've never had any major issues with how everything was before...but I have to admit it is kind of nice to upload something and...there it is. Instant gratification. :)

ETA: And now the thing's up there so...Yup, guess it just takes a few minutes. :)

HystericalParoxysm
1st Dec 2013, 8:17 PM
iCad - I saw that with yours too, it just didn't show up immediately. I think the Download pages are actually cached? There's some pages that only update every X minutes for performance databasey technical type reasons.

Thanks for the note about the wizard, I did a test upload and I am so used to just putting stuff in the boxes and ignoring the text, I just skipped merrily past looking at the wording! D'oh - will fix that up asap. :)

Nysha
1st Dec 2013, 8:21 PM
Yes, the download pages are cached, it takes a few minutes for them to show new stuff (or you can add &regen=1 onto the end of the url if you're impatient).

iCad
1st Dec 2013, 8:38 PM
Caching makes all kinds of sense; figured that was what it was since the upload showed everywhere else.

Something else I've noticed with the wizard: It used to be that if you uploaded 50 pieces in a zip, then when you got the page where you add descriptions of the item and check off whether it's you who created it or someone else, there was a line that had to be filled in for every file in the zip. Now I see that it only asks for one file per zip, and it was like that before the new system. I've been meaning to ask but keep forgetting: Is it supposed to do that? I mean, it's great for me because I'll upload sets with 1001 pieces if you let me, and I'm all for less mind-numbing and repetitive typing. That's the main reason why I stopped uploading the big plaster wall sets here, frankly, and put them on my LJ instead. But I'm wondering about when, say, someone else subsequently uses a piece of that set in an uploaded lot. Doesn't the description that the creator enters when they upload the set auto-fill on the "Custom Content Included" for the subsequent uploader's lot? If there's no such description entered...Does that mean more typing for the lot uploader? That seems rather unfair. :) Or does it all work differently than I think?

Nysha
1st Dec 2013, 8:43 PM
No, it's not meant to do that, and D can't work out why it does :p .

iCad
1st Dec 2013, 9:08 PM
No, it's not meant to do that, and D can't work out why it does :p .

Ah, OK. Well, at least you all know about it! :lol: And in the meantime, I'll take full advantage of it. ;)

joandsarah77
1st Dec 2013, 9:18 PM
Thank you to Delphy, HP, Leefish, and anyone else who has been working on this. Great changes guys and I can't wait to try using that bypass button instead of checking the page and worrying did I tick each box and dot every i.

Congrtaulation ohthatsimschick on being the first to use it! I'm going to pop over and see what you uploaded.

TheDeadSim
2nd Dec 2013, 2:31 AM
Thanks to everyone involved with these improvements!! They will allow the site to expand for the better. I build smaller sites myself and I can't even imagine the efforts that have been put in to allow these changes to become a reality.
Fantastic work!!! ::)

hellmonja
2nd Dec 2013, 6:26 AM
I'd like a pinch on the bum.

Wow, thanks for the changes, their great! And all that in such short amount of time. I'm most excited on the picture sizes and-- 100 PICTURES!!! Now I can show my houses more completely. Now if only i had a lot ready to upload...

Tashiketh
2nd Dec 2013, 8:44 AM
No, it's not meant to do that, and D can't work out why it does :p .

Thing is, I haven't changed that part of the code in years. Certainly nothing would have changed with the "new" system, since the new bypass only affects steps 12 and 13 (ie the review and submission parts), and not step 6 or 7, I forget which one it is, which is the filling in of CC information.

mustluvcatz
2nd Dec 2013, 9:20 AM
Actually- what iCad is talking about started a long time ago. Back in February or March I think. Before then, yes- you'd have to fill in the boxes for each and every file. So it's not a recent thing having to do with the recent changes.

Klaartje
2nd Dec 2013, 10:08 AM
I am seriously impressed by the speed at which you guys have managed to roll out these changes :) A big thank you and well done for everyone who has been involved.
/me runs off to create something to test the shiny new system

leefish
2nd Dec 2013, 10:22 AM
Regarding the speed - there was a huge amount of work done last year setting up rubrics and generally tidying up. I see this work as a sort of "continuous improvement" action of the then existing process - the work done last year was NOT wasted - it basically paved the way for this change to be done as fast as it was. The BIG change was the coding of the bypass calculations, and a LOT of checking and copying of rubrics and making sure that rubric = guideline and that the canned texts were a shade more friendly.

Nysha
2nd Dec 2013, 3:57 PM
D, I think it may be to do with something you did when updating the detection system for TS3, or when adding detection for included files in sims3packs.

CatherineTCJD
2nd Dec 2013, 11:55 PM
COOL!!! I just tried it out and BAM! my new lot is up. Thank you sooooo much for all the work ya'll've done on this. YAY!!!

billielith
3rd Dec 2013, 10:40 AM
That will be a nice set of changes, thank you! Particularly happy about having more pictures allowed for an upload. That has always been the chinese puzzle part to me, showing everything in 8-or-so pictures. Love the new visual theme. You guys make great work, keep it up! :D

benjamin2010
4th Dec 2013, 4:06 AM
I am glad to hear this. I had a hard time in the past with the upload process and think that these changes will be great for the site. I hope to see more TS2 creations!

dangmal
4th Dec 2013, 12:59 PM
I've always loved MTS for the high standard of the downloads here, at times it has equalled the official store for well made sturdy downloads and even surpassed it once or twice, as well as providing fixes for all the small but annoying issues that the EA team should have spotted themselves. I've always thought that quality control and moderation was the reason behind this high standard so removing that for anyone, even the best creator worries me slightly - even typically great creators can make something that falls short from time to time - but i'm sure it will all work out and i'll have an open mind :)

leefish
4th Dec 2013, 1:09 PM
@ dangmal - we haven't stopped moderating; what we have done is said that creators who typically upload good work don't need to wait for a moderator to see the item in the queue and then approve it. The upload goes live and then we review the item on the live site and take action if needed (so far we haven't needed to - which is what we thought would be the case).

Nysha
4th Dec 2013, 2:13 PM
We have, actually, pointed out a few errors and omissions to creators of bypassed uploads - so far they've all corrected the mistakes quickly, and none of them have been serious things. :)

dangmal
4th Dec 2013, 6:43 PM
Oh i see, well that's actually a beautiful system - and the creators here are reliably brilliant anyway. The vast majority of Sims 3 download sites are like panning for gold - quite a lot of rubbish to sift through to find the bits of golden goodness. Mod The sims has always been just a pile of gold, and it seems like these changes will only go to improve that, so thankyou, MTS Geniuses! I remember when the future of the site was in question some years back, how amazing to see it just go from strength to strength

billielith
5th Dec 2013, 1:54 AM
I have a suggestion,
we are able to comment creations but not creators. I think it would be nice if there was a general thread on each creator's profiles where people could say a general comment on their work, post specific requests for this creator, etc. So instead of being a silent congratulating PM it could be kept by creators as memories of the people who love their work in general. We creators get this "Why do I even do this? It's all pointless." mood sometimes! lol. Kind people who take the time to show some appreciation are a reminder of why - someone thinks what you do is beautiful - if they could be in contact with creators themselves, not just one specific creation.

leefish
5th Dec 2013, 2:11 AM
Many creators have a guest book - you should be able to access it from their profile.

billielith
5th Dec 2013, 2:17 AM
Many creators have a guest book - you should be able to access it from their profile.
You're right. I've been on the internet since the late 90s and I still don't intuitively think about using Guest Books.

joandsarah77
5th Dec 2013, 2:32 AM
But you can only reply to entries not simply leave a comment-can you? Also not all creators have journals here.

leefish
5th Dec 2013, 2:34 AM
I know that journals are not compulsory - but I think all creators can have journals/guestbooks. So if you look at a profile you can see if they want you to say hi - they will have a guestbook - and then you just post in it.

Tiraslin
5th Dec 2013, 6:06 AM
Wow, these changes look great! I know I've been intimidated to share my creations at all in the past, but these new rules are easier to understand and far less intimidating. Thank you so much for all your hard work!

Klaartje
5th Dec 2013, 9:01 AM
After trying out the shiny new system:
WOW! That was quick :D It feels so good to upload something and see it online on the same day! It's nice to know who moderated the upload, makes it feel a lot more personal.
As a downloader: I have seen the occassional 'mod hat'-posts, and it's great to see that creators are responding to those posts and making the changes that were asked for. Looks like that is working as you guys hoped it would :)
Basically, I just wanted to say 'yay for these changes' :D I hope they help to change the direction of MTS towards what you are aiming for :)

christina4400164
6th Dec 2013, 2:55 PM
I wanna thank everyone for the experience you give people who use the site. There are always interesting downloads posted. I like how the site works also. I think that the experience is a good one whenever I am on-site. I am about 98% satisfied. :lol:

justJones
7th Dec 2013, 6:32 PM
bililelith, for some creators, you could also just "sign" their yearbook page :)

Ghost sdoj
8th Dec 2013, 12:47 AM
That only works until the yearbook is closed for the year, though. Act fast!

joandsarah77
8th Dec 2013, 2:45 AM
What year book? Where is this hiding?

maybesomethingdunno
8th Dec 2013, 4:09 AM
joandsarah77: Community > Yearbook

http://yearbook.modthesims.info/

9b8ll
8th Dec 2013, 11:00 AM
I really love this new system especially the 100 pics limit,Increased picture size limit and the improved creator feedback forum rules! Now I really don't have to worry about the 8 pics limit,nor unnecessary collages if I am going to do create a CC set! :) Thank you so much for this!

Saturnfly
9th Dec 2013, 12:58 AM
AMAZING update :D !!! This will certainly encourage me to upload more things!

blakegriplingph
9th Dec 2013, 1:18 PM
That's 'swell, although IMO I still feel like having my works queued for any potential issues that I might have noticed.

Thranduil Oropherion
9th Dec 2013, 9:08 PM
Can I say (probably very late to this thread but anyway) I am really happy about the new way moderation of uploads is going to be handled. I stopped uploading for a *very* long time (this was a year or two back) simply due to the way an anonymous moderator handled one of my potential uploads; I was really, really upset about it - and I took it way too personally. I am happy now that things are going to be a lot more transparent.

Miss Simpleton
12th Dec 2013, 1:19 AM
The past Nit Picky stuff was a problem. It was very frustrating to have your upload kicked back for the 4th time for something as ridiculous as the moderator preferring gray, when you made something yellow. Or your upload felt too "wintery".
It almost forces you to pretend you made the nonsensical changes, re-upload, and suddenly get approval. Not that I would do that :/

lientebollemeis
13th Dec 2013, 8:48 PM
I don't know if that's already done or if it's too much work, but it would be nice if there's always a comment of a moderator on a bypass queue upload so the creator knows it is ok.
So just some feedback for any bypass queue creation. (I just uploaded my first bypass creation and I'm hoping there's nothing wrong with it.)

leefish
13th Dec 2013, 8:57 PM
Well, its interesting you should say that because we were talking about this in the staff area. If you are not sure on the upload - or need us to tell you its ok for your peace of mind - then send it via the queue. If you are sure (because its an area you are very experienced in) then no news is good news.

cutsocks
21st Dec 2013, 8:19 AM
I don't know if this is a bug, just me, or something else... but I noticed that my two recent lots that i bypassed the queue on, don't show up on the Sims 3 downloads main page. They show up on the All downloads page along with the Sims 2 stuff. I notice a few other uploads that show up on the All page and not the individual games sections. Maybe there's a filter/categorizing issue with the bypass queue?

leefish
21st Dec 2013, 8:28 AM
Cutsocks - I think you are viewing downloads in Compatible mode. Go to your user control panel (edit profile) and make sure you have all the EPs /SPs you own ticked. Link: http://www.modthesims.info/profile.php?do=editprofile

cutsocks
21st Dec 2013, 11:35 AM
Cutsocks - I think you are viewing downloads in Compatible mode. Go to your user control panel (edit profile) and make sure you have all the EPs /SPs you own ticked. Link: http://www.modthesims.info/profile.php?do=editprofile

Okay, that fixed it . I guess I was just having a stupid moment. :/

Nysha
21st Dec 2013, 12:56 PM
They both show up on the Sims 3 page for me. Could you post the exact url of what you're looking at? It could be a filter setting.

tsyokawe
15th Jan 2014, 4:48 PM
Introduction

Guidelines Changes

Increased picture quantity limit: You may now upload up to 100 pics! Of course, please keep it to a reasonable quantity... only things like huge sets, full worlds, etc. should have that many pics!



I was tickled to learn about the extra pictures, because it meant I'd be able to offer landscaped lots. But, 4 days ago, when I uploaded a Botanical Garden, the submission form never allowed for more than 8 photos (5 of which were used to cover the mandatory photo for each story/level of your structure). I didn't have enough slots left to show more than one view of the front. And since it is a garden, there is too much foliage to actually see the entire building in one fell swoop. (It's on a 60x60 lot, and the greenhouse is T-shaped, approximately 30x30.)

Now that more than 8 photos are allowed, is there a way to upload them for the submission? Do we use a different submission form for that? Because, Ican always scratch the one I've already done, and make a new one. (I've already been denied because of the [lack of] a complete front view...and some glitch that didn't see that I had indeed acknowledged the CC) There is so much landscaping involved, I really needed another 5 or 6 shots anyway. With all that foliage, and the winding paths, there's no way to see from one end to the other without walking down the paths.

Did I just jump the gun, and try to upload before the new submission form was out, or did I choose the wrong form? I've been to the Creativity Forum, but haven't found how to do this. I'm getting this all wrong.

please help. If you could just give me the URL to the how-to [add extra photos] page, I'd be grateful, because I can't find it.

gaudet

edited to clarify which how-page I need

Nysha
15th Jan 2014, 5:15 PM
What happened when you tried to upload more than 8 pics?

tsyokawe
15th Jan 2014, 5:29 PM
What happened when you tried to upload more than 8 pics?

There just was not spot for more than 8 image uploads. It just wasn't there. Only 8 slots were available. I could go back and pretend a new upload and take a screenshot for you, and then cancel...

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/jacquelinegaudet/8imagesallowed_zps50bfdc69.jpg (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jacquelinegaudet/media/8imagesallowed_zps50bfdc69.jpg.html)

Nysha
15th Jan 2014, 5:30 PM
Fill up the 8 slots, and hit the Upload button. Then fill them up again. :)

tsyokawe
15th Jan 2014, 5:38 PM
Fill up the 8 slots, and hit the Upload button. Then fill them up again. :)

It'll let me do that? Okie dokie. I'll not try to "fix" my current submission, and just attempt a new one. Will the system let me do that, or are we supposed to wait a set number of days before attempting a new submission?

BTW, is there some way to put more than two CC acknowledgements in the actual CC section. I put the other three in the "additional credits" (besides thanking them in my text), but I think the moderator thinks they were never acknowledged. I don't know if this is a glitch (because you can read that they were), or if s/he means that they are missing from the formal CC credit section - which only allows two spots.

thank you so much for letting me know how to add more images.

gaudet

Nysha
15th Jan 2014, 6:25 PM
There's no limit on how often you can upload, but if you upload something again while it's still in the queue, it'll be removed without review as a duplicate. You've got a changes required on the upload (I assume it's the botanical gardens?), so you can feel free to experiment with uploading more pics to that alongside making the changes that were asked for.

The CC section you're referring to pulls up a list of the items that are actually included in the sims3pack, and then asks you for their details. In this case, there's just one object and one pattern in the sims3pack, which is why you could only enter two items into that list. If you've used other CC on the lot which isn't included in the sims3pack, just type a list of that CC into the main text. :)

tsyokawe
15th Jan 2014, 7:18 PM
There's no limit on how often you can upload, but if you upload something again while it's still in the queue, it'll be removed without review as a duplicate. You've got a changes required on the upload (I assume it's the botanical gardens?), so you can feel free to experiment with uploading more pics to that alongside making the changes that were asked for.

The CC section you're referring to pulls up a list of the items that are actually included in the sims3pack, and then asks you for their details. In this case, there's just one object and one pattern in the sims3pack, which is why you could only enter two items into that list. If you've used other CC on the lot which isn't included in the sims3pack, just type a list of that CC into the main text. :)

omg. Thank you. I am such a dunce. sims3packs are different from package files. How many times have you guys explained that, and I still confuse the two. I can fix that. Thank you so much for your patience. I have copy pasted this onto a word file. I'm going to make a word art picture of the sentence Sims3packs v. Package: They're DIFFIRNT , print it out, and put it up on the wall here by my bed.

thank you. thank you.

gaudet

Nysha
15th Jan 2014, 8:02 PM
You're very very welcome. ;)

AdonisPluto
17th Jan 2014, 8:06 AM
Been as lazy as I am even though I m always on the site since the chnges where made, I have been too lazy to go through the changes made to the guidelines. .Well used the pst two days to do just that and I just want to say thanks a lot to the administration for the changes.

gummilutt
4th Mar 2014, 5:52 PM
If you find a creator has a ton of recent uploads that all are missing screenshots, do you report each one or do you report one and mention that pretty much all of them have the same problem?

Also, is there some kind of time span of how long a creator has to fix "minor" problems? Because if there is no limit, and only major things get it sent back to queue and remove the bypass, then what says creators won't just ignore it?

I know I sound like a buzzkill, but I download on MTS because I used to get clear proper pictures of what I get, and that is no longer the case. Some things are due to changes in guidelines, and that I can accept, but some is just missing even though it's in the guidelines.

leefish
4th Mar 2014, 7:53 PM
You should report at least one and in the report text mention there are more by the same creator.

gummilutt
9th Mar 2014, 11:37 PM
I will do just that, thank you. What about my other question? If I may ask :)

leefish
10th Mar 2014, 9:10 AM
@gummilutt , I was reading through the guidelines regarding uploading items - especially bodyshop. The minimum requirement is to show any NEW MESH from all angles. That isn't expressly required for recolours (as far as I can interpret it) though I agree I would also be very reluctant to download any recolour that does not show all of the item (front/back/sides) - mainly because I would like to know in advance about any "oddness" so I don't get disappointed. It's a fine line - if it's a recolour of something like a base game athletic outfit then most of us know what it looks like. If it appears that an uploader has been hit by an attack of extreme lazyass and has not recoloured the back then that should be reported. In such a case we would send that item back to queue and CR it from queue.

Regarding how long a creator has. The moderation team use the reports system to "track" those uploads which we believe to have minor issues - we can see a list of open reports and we check it. If an uploader has been online since the report was made and no action is taken to fix the issue then we can return it to queue.

gummilutt
10th Mar 2014, 1:47 PM
That is indeed a fine line. By new mesh, does that mean you only have to if the upload is uploading the new mesh for the first time, or does it refer to any recolor that is recoloring a mesh not provided by EA?

Nysha
10th Mar 2014, 2:32 PM
It refers to a creator uploading a new mesh for the first time, since in that case they also get feedback and ratings on the shape of the mesh, morphs etc.

gummilutt
10th Mar 2014, 10:21 PM
That doesn't make much sense to me. After all, a mesh is just the shape upon which a recolor is placed. The point of the recolor is the recolor as placed on the mesh, why wouldn't you want to see the front and back of it? Knowing the mesh doesn't mean you know what the back looks like on a new color, since it is new. And the back is just as important as the front, is it not?

Ghost sdoj
11th Mar 2014, 7:12 PM
Something like "EA toy chest with stencil removed" tells you exactly what the back is going to look like. (or it should, anyway.) A dress that is red instead of black generally looks like that dress, but red instead of black on the back as well as the front. In those cases it is often safe to assume that you already know what the back (and sides) of the item look like. I agree that pictures of the back are a good idea, but if I were posting something like that I would probably put it in a spoiler labeled "Can you guess what the back looks like?" and be very surprised if someone guessed wrong.

HystericalParoxysm
11th Mar 2014, 8:38 PM
It is very nice to see the back too, on recolours. But not a necessity. I can't think of any times I've seen an outfit that looks fine from the front but the back makes it undownloadable. But a mesh is a new shape, the 3D shape of it is the whole point to a new mesh, and in order to see that it is of good quality, more than just a front pic is necessary.

The guidelines are the rules people MUST stick by to upload here - the minimum requirements for us to host the content. So it means that someone can upload a smallish, not so great picture of the front of a decent but not spectacular outfit, and it may just squeak by as approvable if it's obvious the thing they've made is pretty good (doesn't have to be great).

It doesn't mean it's the best way of showing it - but we'll tell them so. The rubrics we use cover that, encouraging them to use bigger pictures, better lighting, less image compression, show from more angles, etc., and we also type messages to new creators going, "Hey, very nice first creation - perhaps next time show it off a little bit better?" (with more specifics, of course, based on the actual creation) to help guide them from not-so-great to quite good. The idea is to find the minimum that's okay, and then try to push gently toward better, not demanding perfection from the get-go. You never know whether the Joe Newbie that's uploading today will be the next big time creator in 6 months or a year, and ya don't want to scare him off or discourage him.

Hell, go look at a couple of my first uploads and the pics on those. There's a reason I keep those up and haven't taken new pictures. ;)

Also? If you see a creator is showing their stuff off and you think it could be done better, you can politely tell them so. Gently. Encouragingly. Thusly: "Hey, these look like really fun dresses! I just wish I could see them a little better - your pics are a bit small and dark, and you've only shown them from the front. Could you maybe take some bigger pictures with better lighting, and from the back?"

gummilutt
11th Mar 2014, 11:00 PM
I'm afraid I only know one mode and that's nazi-perfectionist. I'm sorry, I can't relate to the more relaxed view. In my opinion the rating system does more than enough to encourage creators, but sacrificing standards to keep people around is not in my book. I have not before nor do I now understand what people find so difficult about taking screenshots. It's not rocket science, and there are plenty of ways to ask for advice or places to look at examples if you aren't sure. You are sharing your creation for others, not for you, and unlike you, they don't know what your thing looks like until you show them. Compared to making the thing, screenshots should be easy.

But, it is clear that MTS and I don't agree at all on any of this. I think it's dumb, but it's not my decision. I appreciate the clarification of guidelines, I interpret what's written differently but now I know I'm wrong. That's that.

Oh and, I prefer not to ask creators to do better, because I don't think I could mask my annoyance and that's not going to help anyone. If I feel I can be constructive I do, but that's only going to happen when I think it's an understandable mistake, and crappy screenshots are not to me.

HystericalParoxysm
12th Mar 2014, 9:39 AM
Well, we've seen what happens when we demand perfection - people just go upload their stuff on Tumblr however they want. If we want people to upload here, we have to unclench a bit. And that's what we've done. And it seems to be helping some. We do want people to feel welcome to upload here, and not just the people who are amazing right off the bat but the enthusiastic but slightly clueless noobs who need a little help and guidance. Screenshots -are- easy, once you know how. But most people don't know how to start with, and may not know where to ask, or may be so tired of looking at the darn thing they've made they just want to be -done- with it, not spend another day or two trying to get their screenshots right. *shrug* I do get where you're coming from, but I know from experience (even if it was waaay back in the beginning of my experience) that taking good screenshots to show a thing well is not as easy as it seems if you're not used to it, even if you're a computery/technical/graphics person. We want to help people get to the point of good screenshots, not whap 'em upside the head and demand them like we have in the past.

gummilutt
12th Mar 2014, 1:02 PM
I understand the reasoning, and I agree that the rehaul seems to have caused an increase in uploads. I'll put my faith in that there appears to be come sort of goal to guide people towards doing better, and not just all together lowering standards and leaving it at that. It's not how I would do it, but then again I don't doubt that I'm a minority in many things and probably is in the wrong here.

joandsarah77
12th Mar 2014, 2:18 PM
Been as lazy as I am even though I m always on the site since the chnges where made, I have been too lazy to go through the changes made to the guidelines. .Well used the pst two days to do just that and I just want to say thanks a lot to the administration for the changes.

I've been kind of lazy too, yesterday was the first time I tried the new queue bypass since it was started. Guess I just haven't been in a building mood. Thanks Mods, it was great to see it right away and not bite nails over the queue. :up:

Timor
11th Mar 2015, 1:17 PM
Well, we've seen what happens when we demand perfection - people just go upload their stuff on Tumblr however they want. If we want people to upload here, we have to unclench a bit.

I have to agree with this. Uploaded my first mod a week ago, still didn`t get released or approved. My second mod has been on delay for 3 days now. So, I just started my own tumblr and am posting there. :duck: